The Anthem of the Adventurer

S2 E1: The Battle of Mogadishu and Beyond - the Ballad of Cadre Igor

Episode Summary

Cadre Igor is a veteran of the US Special Forces, and shares his story from the Battle of Mogadishu, and his adventures since then. Buckle up for a wild ride!

Episode Notes

Cadre Igor is a veteran of the US Special Forces, and shares his story from the Battle of Mogadishu, and his adventures since then. Buckle up for a wild ride!

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Episode Transcription

Dan Zehner  0:00  

I am so excited to bring this conversation to you guys today. We have worked long and hard to make the scheduling Gremlins work out and we finally have Qadri I Igor from from go rukh he is a veteran of the special ops community in the US Army and has a really great background to talk about. And he was one of the CADRE in a really special event over the summer that I participated in the direct 50 mile star course in Indianapolis was, was a very emotionally fulfilling and physically painful experience for all involved. So either it's really awesome to have you here today. Looking forward to talking with you,


Cadre Igor  1:27  

guys. It's great to be here. And that 50 miles is nothing to sneeze at.


Dan Zehner  1:31  

Yeah, it was. I keep telling people, it's one of the one of the most emotionally fulfilling experiences of my life, but definitely up in the top two of most physically painful as well.


Cadre Igor  1:44  

I've, I've been there.


Dan Zehner  1:47  

Yeah, I no doubt you have. And we will get into that in in a minute. But first, let's kick things off, right with a challenge. What would you challenge me and the audience who's listening to do to take some action on our lives in a corporate environment of practicing perseverance?


Cadre Igor  2:04  

So you want perseverance, I'm going to take it right out of the special ops community.


Get that 30 pound weight you have on your back and do 12 miles in three hours.


Unknown Speaker  2:15  



Cadre Igor  2:16  

Yeah. So every course I've ever been to well, not every course, for the SF QC and Ranger School. The standard is with your full kit, which is your Lv weapon and about 45 pounds, you gotta do 12 miles and three hours. That's passing fail. That's not if you don't do it, you're okay. You don't do it. You just failed.


Dan Zehner  2:40  

So what would you say to someone who's working their way up to that they go that and like, yeah, I fail. How can someone work their way up to fasten that,


Cadre Igor  2:50  

they just got to start rocking it out there and rocking. I mean, you can't, you can't just put on a rucksack with a new pair of boots and start racking, you gotta work your way into it.


Dan Zehner  2:58  

Unless they're Maccabees, in which case you might be be able to


Cadre Igor  3:01  

even then you you got to work into a 12 mile run, especially at times, right. I mean, when I started my career, I always had two sets of boots, I started out slowly working my boots in. And the truth of the matter is you just can't get used to a weight on your on your shoulders, just have to suck that up. But taking care of your feet is probably one of the most important things when you're rocking. And I started out so I just didn't start rocking 12 miles, I would start, you know, do an hour do a couple of hours. And one of the things I found out through experiences, a combination of Rocky and long distance running was probably the best.


Dan Zehner  3:38  

Um, so keeping, you know, a couple days a week without the weight on to give your shoulders a break.


Cadre Igor  3:44  

Right. So the first time I went to a selection that I went to, all I did was rock. And while I did good, the second time I went back, I did a combination of Rocky and long distance running. And my endurance was much much better. Um, I'm not talking about a two mile run, I'm talking the least to 10 K.


Dan Zehner  4:06  

Okay, so you're keeping your keeping the level of work equivalent. But but just keeping the weight off your shoulders a little bit, right.


Cadre Igor  4:15  

So I mean, in my mind, second time I was working out for my selection course, running was a keep rocking, you gotta rock can't be rocking. But alternating that with long distance running, in my mind is key to mind. Mm


Unknown Speaker  4:30  



Dan Zehner  4:31  

That was a really good really good set of advice there and good challenge so all you guys listening out there, you know how much I love rocking and there's nothing like it.


Cadre Igor  4:42  

You're right. And you know the standard for heavy is three hour three and a half hours.


Dan Zehner  4:47  

Yeah. Finally, you should mention a heavy at my in a couple of guys. So Matt Williams from the star course our shadow for our team and a couple other guys were kicking around the doing the Fort Bragg heavy because none of us have done a heavy before. And if we're going to we want to do it right. I gotta start training for that one.


Cadre Igor  5:09  

You got to start training for that one. Because I've so far, I've run to two heavies. And just ask the people to follow me for the 12 mile.


Unknown Speaker  5:19  

quite fun.


Dan Zehner  5:22  

Yeah, I can imagine the kind of fun that was. So before we go too deep down the rabbit hole, which we will definitely return to, can you give us an idea of some of your background of how you got into all this because you have a really great, I mean number of stories and maybe some of your favorite stories from your career in Special Forces, how you got into it. And some of the interesting stories that you're alright with telling a publicly


Cadre Igor  5:52  

so so my military career started in 76 when I joined the Air Force, and basically I joined the Air Force back then he gets a GI Bill. Hmm. So I spent four years in the Air Force, you know, and I usually put out my in the beginning of a go recommend, you know, I spent four years in the Air Force three and a half years as a tail gunner under 52. Wow. So got out in 1980 went to college did pretty good for a while, maybe tapered off a little bit because maybe I partied a little too much. Around 8384 I decided I wanted to come to Green Bay. So I joined the army in 85. Back then, you couldn't just join the army become a Green Beret, you had at least be an e4 promotable. Oh, wow. Once I became need for promotable, I put in my packet to go to the Special Forces Qualification Course got accepted. And in April of 19, gosh, I gotta think back now 1988, I went to international Morse code school to learn Morse code. And then in July of July 5 1988, I started the Special Forces Qualification Course. And my mo is back then was an 18 Echo, which is a special forces combo guy, which is why learn Morse code. And then in 1988, I graduated put on my green beret. Cool spent the next three years in Germany and Charlie Company, first Special Forces Group. From 92 to 98, I spent time at Fort Bragg, where I went to Mogadishu for a fun two months. And then


Dan Zehner  7:29  

interesting two months.


Cadre Igor  7:31  

It was an interesting two months.


And if you go to a mobile event, I run I pretty much goes through the whole what we did in Mogadishu. And then I finished up my career as a special forces team Sergeant back in Germany, from June 1998, till I retired may 2001, four months before 911.


Dan Zehner  7:51  

Wow, man.


Cadre Igor  7:52  

And it. And as I told everybody in Kansas City for the 911 events I just ran it really suck be on the sidelines after 911.


Dan Zehner  8:02  

I bet. Especially after being as involved as you were in a lot of kind of the ancillary events leading up to it.


Cadre Igor  8:14  

Absolutely. Plus, I had all the training that you wanted for guy to go over there and take on Al Qaeda and the Taliban. So yeah, it is what it is. I mean, I've got a great job. Now I I still support snow con, so I can't complain.


Dan Zehner  8:27  

That's great. It's it's what for, for folks who aren't familiar with kind of the SF mission and kind of have maybe some preconceived notions of what that community of the military does gonna give it a little bit of flavor of exactly what you do when you're in theater and, and that special sauce you bring to the operations here in


Cadre Igor  8:56  

Special Forces. I mean, we're a force multiplier.


So we've got several different missions, you got a direct action mission, you got a counterinsurgency mission, you got a foreign internal defense mission, you got a strategic recon mission. I mean, there's a whole bunch of things.


So what a special forces team team brings to the table is 12 professionals who can pretty much do it all. But currently, right now in Afghanistan, you see Special Forces teams going in there, and they're doing what they call a foreign internal defense, they are training our Afghan allies to go out there and hunt down the Taliban and Al Qaeda. And not only they training them, but when they go out and do patrols, there's usually those SF guys that are training them are going out on those patrols with them. I mean, that's kind of it in a nutshell. Because it all started from the OSS, if you remember, back in, yeah, dropping behind enemy lines, and they would train the French Resistance. And they would also do sabotage in those types of missions. So that's sort of where the Special Forces kind of comes from. I mean, it's more since then, Special Forces came in its own in Vietnam. And if it did, the Vietnam and I kind of talked about that a little bit. So that's kind of the elevator speech. We don't have enough time for me to really get into what Special Forces does.


Dan Zehner  10:20  

Yeah, this is a whole interview plug of do it go rock event with cadre, I'm sure you will not be disappointed. And I do need to do a proper one. Not a star course. We're gonna have some more quality time together.


Cadre Igor  10:38  

Wow, you got the momentum Detroit coming up. And I we got a customer on the third. And then we got the fourth and the fifth regular, tough and like, Oh, man.


Dan Zehner  10:46  

I think I posted in the in the tough page about that one, the one of the very few reasons I would miss that event is I'm actually going to the Wild at Heart boot camp with john Eldridge and his folks that weekend.


Unknown Speaker  10:58  

Awesome, Colorado. But the


Cadre Igor  11:00  

beauty about the customers, we're going to actually follow the timeline of the battle. Oh, man.


Dan Zehner  11:05  

Well, now that you brought it up, what was some of your experience like in Mogadishu what little you can you can share in this kind of format.


Cadre Igor  11:17  

So like, if you read any books, there's moments of sheer terror, followed by lots of boredom.


So when your son when we first got there, we were already trained, we're fairly high level. So when we first got there, we were doing quite a bit of training, we had a couple of missions to start, we did a couple of missions to get acclimated to the area. But at some point, you can over train, so it got to the point where we really didn't train a lot. So we're just kind of sitting around waiting for mission. Hmm. And when you're stuck on an aircraft hangar with a little compound gets boring really fast. You're almost waiting for that mission to come out just so you can get out and get something done. Um, but like I said, you know, you don't want to over train the guys, because we're pretty much trained to a high level at that time. So I think what, what people don't realize we had six combat missions before we actually did the third and the fourth of October. So we'd actually been in country we'd actually been on the ground, we'd actually gone after lieutenants of a deed. So we're ready for the third and the fourth. Didn't quite turn out everybody thought it would. But then the enemy always has a vote, and I'm a third of the fourth EM, the enemy definitely had a vote.


Dan Zehner  12:35  

Huh? Yeah. For those who aren't familiar, there's probably three of you out there who don't know what you're talking what we're talking about yet. Talking about the Battle of Mogadishu 1993, October 3, and fourth, defense or, well, what probably a good question how accurately were the events depicted in the things like Black Hawk Down?


Cadre Igor  12:57  

So it's, it's a great movie, for the most part, somewhat accurate. But it's it's a really great movie. I mean, but it's Hollywood to you gotta remember that. Sure. So


Dan Zehner  13:10  

yeah, the that that movie had a good a big impression on on me after I watched the first time and mentioned kind of before we got started recording here. That was my, my first introduction into the SF community and what those guys are like, during a Mogadishu mile event in 2015. They're headed up in Chicago and privilege of meeting to two of the members of Task Force Ranger and that just the stories of those guys, and what they went through is incredible.


Cadre Igor  13:41  

So who, who were the guest speakers then?


Dan Zehner  13:43  

It was john call it and oh, man, what can Steve? I can't remember Steve's last name. That's gonna really bug me. That's okay.


Cadre Igor  13:53  

Probably want me to the Rangers?


Dan Zehner  13:55  

Yeah, to the Rangers. One of them was a Humvee driver. And one of them was dropped in on a stick from a helicopter.


Cadre Igor  14:01  

Okay, yeah.


Yeah, we saw a lot of a 67 missions, we actually had one where we actually drove into the city and drove out. Everything else was a helicopter, a song?


Dan Zehner  14:14  

What was it like flying in a helicopter into an environment like that?


Unknown Speaker  14:20  

It was pretty awesome. Pretty good, right?


Cadre Igor  14:23  

The only time I get worried is we had one time we were flying way out on the Indian Ocean. And I'm just thinking to myself with about 80 pounds of lightweight army equipment. If this helicopter goes into the water. There's no way I'm no way. I'm getting all the screaming.


Dan Zehner  14:39  

Um, yeah, that's something that's something as a civilian, just don't think about like, Oh, yeah, I mean, helicopters go down. Not fairly regularly, but not infrequently.


Cadre Igor  14:53  

No, it happens. And fortunately, never happened. But I was just thinking about that when we're about 10 miles for sure. I'm thinking, wow, I'm screwed with all this equipment on?


Dan Zehner  15:03  

Yeah, that's a long way to be from Sure.


Cadre Igor  15:07  

Trust me, with my LV, my helmet, my ballistic fast. My gun, my ammo, they would have been, it would have been a hard time getting all that off for me to swim to the top.


Dan Zehner  15:19  

Yeah, man.


Cadre Igor  15:21  

Unfortunately, didn't have to worry about it. Because taskforce, helicopters wall maintain.


Dan Zehner  15:26  

That's really good. And, you know, we know from some some of our history of if they aren't, then things can go pretty sideways pretty quick. Again, what was your your mindset? Like? What was what was going through your head when you were going into some of those missions, especially on the third and the fourth? What? What was going through your your mind at that time?


Cadre Igor  15:48  

So the truth the matter is, I mean, once you get the word to go, maybe you're a little nervous. But once you once you load your weapon you get on the helicopter, your mission focused, that's all you're thinking about is hitting the ground and doing the mission. Yeah, I mean, that that's all you're focused on. You're not even worried that you're going to get shot, you know, you're just worried, hey, I'm going to do good. I got a good team. This is the objective, we're going to do it, then we're going to get home for dinner.


Or breakfast, depending on the time.


Dan Zehner  16:19  

How much do you bring with you in terms of, you know, supplies and things you go pretty light in terms of water and food and things like that are? We were pretty light,


Cadre Igor  16:27  

I mean, so normal load, you have 730 round magazines, I had two pistol magazines I had I had my M four I had 45. I also had a two or three, which for those that don't know, it's a automatic grenade launcher that I had attached to my enfore. So I also carry 22 or three rounds with me also. So


Dan Zehner  16:52  

I was that's a pretty fun set of fireworks.


Cadre Igor  16:55  

It is bare, but on the third of the fourth, I use every one of those tools. Ron's


Dan Zehner  17:00  

Jimmy, what what was that, like? Just knowing that you had had to use all of that?


Cadre Igor  17:09  

Well, so I didn't know I was gonna have to use all that, truthfully. When we went in on the third, you know, for us, it was a normal mission. We're going to go capture those guys that we have in the meeting these lieutenants. Up until that point, we've only been on the ground for a little over two hours, so we think we'd be back for dinner. So I think I don't even think I had an MRE I did have to court canteen with water. But I'm pretty sure I didn't have an MRT. So. So it turned out that we drink our water pretty quick. There was no food. But we ended up spending most of the night we had a little speaking of water in a courtyard we're in and securing. So everybody, you know, in the army, everybody carries iodide tablets in it. But to that point, I had never used them. by God. We filled our canteens up and we didn't touch it till we put those ID iodide tablets in and let them do the 30 minutes. wait time for drink that water.


Dan Zehner  18:07  

Yeah, that I could have made a bad situation a whole lot worse if you hadn't. Oh,


Cadre Igor  18:12  

yeah. I hate to think of the microbes or anything that's in the water and Somalia.


Dan Zehner  18:15  

No, yeah.


Unknown Speaker  18:18  

So what was that


Dan Zehner  18:20  

that night? Like if you can, if you can talk about some of the some of that experience? What? What was what was your? What were you seeing what was going on through that? overnight?


Cadre Igor  18:33  

Well, it's again, it's like that whenever we are focused on on movement, you're just thinking about making the movement. So when we moved from the target site to the first crash site, all we can think about was movement. So that's all you're worried about is full security making movement. So when we got to where we actually ended up hanging out, for most of the night, that's when we actually took our first set of rounds. And we're an operator named Earl Fillmore was shot in the head probably about four or five feet from me. The courtyards we consolidated. So once we got consolidated, we figured out what the crash site was, we finally were able to get everybody and put security on the flat on the crash site. That's when he got kind of time to reflect saying, holy crap, I'd rather be anywhere but here right now.


Unknown Speaker  19:23  



Cadre Igor  19:24  

But we still had a mission to do, you know, we had to get the pilots out of it. We had to get the two pilots out of the helicopter, we had to attend to the wounded. And we had to wait for the convoy to come get us. So they had one attempt for convoy to come get us in the early evening, late, early evening, early night. It wasn't successful, because small is all focused on stopping the convoy. Yeah. So what they had to do with they had to talk to the UN and they had to get armored vehicles. So finally, they got the armored vehicles. The second convoy finally made it to us about one to two o'clock in the morning.


That wasn't really checking my watch.


Dan Zehner  20:03  

Yeah. A little bit more going on than checking your watch.


Cadre Igor  20:07  

Yeah, so at that point, you know, we, we kept all the smallest away from us, we had secured the first crash site, when we got the armored vehicles and the hundred and first with us, we had more security. But we still had a couple of hours to get things done. So I was pulling security about hundred meters off the nose of the first crash site. Then probably around 536, when we actually finally got all the wounded, and unfortunately, those that had passed away, we got them on the armored vehicles. And then we started what we call the moat mile. Know, we call it the moat mile. Because when we were lined up, those of us that could walk, we thought the armored was going to stay with us as we're going back to the site where all the vehicles were. Well, as we started going back, the armored vehicles got faster and faster. And before we know it, we had no armored vehicles, Oh, Jesus. So from that point, it was a total tactical movement from the crash site, to where our vehicles were about a mile away. And it was a totally different movement. We were pulling security, we were doing all the right things to get out of there. And one piece of my memories I have is looking down on the street as I'm moving out and looking at all the empty magazines from guys before me that they'd emptied and change their magazines and their weapons. So we finally got two vehicles on and it was about six 630 in the morning. And then we still have one more movement, we had to get to the package stadium. And once we get to the Paki Stadium, then we're out of harm's way. Because that was the stadium, the Pakistani zone. And they hadn't secured so at that point. The battle was pretty it was all over. Wow. But unfortunately, we still had karma as it hadn't been accounted for. So the mission, the mission have changed. We're no longer going after D Now we were going after and making sure we brought all of our guys home.


Dan Zehner  21:59  

Yeah. It's, it's still amazing that you know, as many of your teammates got out as as as they did, but what was that feeling like? As you were real proud. Were you running that last mile? Was it mostly just a dead sprint? Or was it


Cadre Igor  22:27  

It wasn't a dead sprint. It was. You don't cross an intersection unless you have guns pointed in every direction. You had guys making sure they were covering all the windows, multi level floors. I mean, it was a tactical movement. It wasn't it was done with a purpose. Nobody we weren't running but we'd run across streets. And then we move across buildings. So we came to the next intersection there we made sure we had guns everywhere we needed to be if we saw somebody we put rounds downrange to keep the Angelo so it wasn't a desperate but it was it was a total tactical movement. The way it should have been. So we took no casualties getting now.


Dan Zehner  23:03  

That is amazing. It


Unknown Speaker  23:08  



Dan Zehner  23:10  

like what kind of forced by that time of the morning was was arrayed against you guys, it had to be pretty much the whole city burned on me by then. Right.


Cadre Igor  23:18  

So we still had the militia forces surrounding us. But you know, the truth matters, the armor. Not as many because we we put a lot of cash on them over the night. You know, I've heard different numbers anywhere from 200 to 1000 people that we killed for lack of a better term and hundreds of thousands of casualties. So they they took a look and coming after us that night. Plus, we also had little, we had air coverage as we were leaving, too. So um, so I think at that point, they were probably happy to get us out of


Dan Zehner  23:53  

like, okay, just get out.


Cadre Igor  23:56  

Well, we took no chances. I mean, we were prepared. Yeah. So you got to remember, we were a well trained fighting force the militia? Maybe not. So.


Dan Zehner  24:04  

Yeah, that's definitely a great disparity in terms of training and mindset and equipment that between the two opposing forces there, for sure. There is but


Cadre Igor  24:15  

unfortunately, as you're going down the street, all the guy has to do is he doesn't have to expose himself, he puts his weapon on the streets, fires a 30 round magazine in your direction, chances are, you can get lucky. And unfortunately, that probably happened more than once.


Dan Zehner  24:29  

Yeah, there's, you know, only only so much the, you know, law, the laws of probability can can help you. Right, that point.


Cadre Igor  24:39  

So unfortunately, we lost 18 guys that day, and probably 170 guys.


Dan Zehner  24:46  

That's staggering. How, how did it feel after you know, after you've gotten the mission focuses, kind of worn off? How, how the aftermath of that for you and your team.


Cadre Igor  25:02  

So when we finally get back to the hang of the first thing we did was clean weapons.


Unknown Speaker  25:07  

And then we got some sleep.


Dan Zehner  25:09  



Cadre Igor  25:10  

Um, yeah, it's hard to say because at that point, we knew we still had guys in the city. So we were ready to go back in. And that was kind of our focus to go back in and and account for our the guys that weren't accounted for.


Unknown Speaker  25:22  

Oh, wow.


Cadre Igor  25:24  

So once we had everybody accounted for, which we finally did get everybody accounted for we get even the bodies at the smallest had I mean, there was negotiations, get those bodies back. Once we got those guys back, then we deployed back home. And it's almost anti climatic, to tell you the truth. Yeah. You know, you survived, you did it. Now you got to go back home. And now you got to go back to your family. And now you just gotta kind of


desensitize yourself to the process.


Dan Zehner  25:55  

Hmm. Yeah. Speaking of family, we can make a hard right turn into you know, your biggest priority on from from a little we've gotten to talk as as your family got a really great relationship with you got five kids, if I remember right,


Cadre Igor  26:14  

five kids. Yep.


Dan Zehner  26:17  

Some some happier things that would have. What's your life with your family life? And how do you approach an adventurous life with them.


Cadre Igor  26:27  

So for the most part, my kids are all out of the house. So our adventure is for a while we were going camping, camping is our big thing. But now that everybody's got their little lives, it's hard. But the coolest thing is I got my youngest, my daughter, she actually did a go wreck in DC with me. Last month.


Dan Zehner  26:46  

No kidding. That's awesome.


Cadre Igor  26:50  

And I hate to say this, but she's a one and done.


Dan Zehner  26:53  

Oh, yeah.


Cadre Igor  26:57  

She's glad she did it. But that's not for her. Not for everybody.




Unknown Speaker  27:03  

But she did it.


Dan Zehner  27:04  

That good honor for forgiveness. The old college try. At least you tried it.


Unknown Speaker  27:10  

Yep. She tried it.


Cadre Igor  27:12  

And people would ask her


dad, and yeah, that's my dad. Cuz I didn't tell everybody that my daughter's there because I didn't want them to, you know, bugger or secret or anything. Yeah, I kind of figured it out. But I didn't treat her any differently than the rest. That she got to do the extra stairs that everybody else is she was happy about that. Not racism, I got five great kids, I got two granddaughters. We're all doing good. They're all successful. I got no complaints.


Dan Zehner  27:50  

That's awesome. As as, as a dad with $2. And a son, like that just makes me feel good that you know, you can you can have good relationships with your kids as you grow older, like you got any ideas, anything like either mindset strategy, tactics wise for raising some really good kids.


Cadre Igor  28:10  

Ah, you know, I let them be themselves. You know, I never grounded him. I took away the electronics. But I never grounded them because I took their electronics away, man and go outside and play. But the one thing I did every night that I was home, is I told my kids every night that I love them. And there was no doubt any one of my kids lives that they're not loved by their dad.


Dan Zehner  28:35  

This is such a an elegant thing that seemingly simple. But the so important, and sadly lacking a lot of, you know, family's lives these days when


Cadre Igor  28:47  

my kids never went to bed without hearing from their dad that he loved them.


Dan Zehner  28:52  

That's ever awesome. Good on him. And it's really well done. Not that you need me to say that. But I gotta get that out there. It's just really great to hear that.


Cadre Igor  29:03  

No, I mean, it's it's the parents that are raising the people that are going to be the citizens of our country, and that are going to move our country forward. So I think it's important that we set a good example for. And I've always tried to do the right thing. And I try to make sure my kids know that. And that's what I tell them. So the interesting thing about my kids, so I was retired after 911. So about a year after 911 They told me Dad, we're glad you're not in the military anymore. Because I know a lot of guy had a lot of friends that were still there, and they were deployed all the time. Oh, yeah. So I actually got to see my kids grow up. So there's something to be said for that. Um, as much as I missed not being part of the action. I got to see my kids grow up.


Dan Zehner  29:48  

Yeah. That's it's really hard, as well as a, you know, a guy who's passionate for for serving his country and and and doing what needs to be done. That That must have been a big tension point. But sound like you got your priorities in the right order for your family?


Cadre Igor  30:09  

Well, I do and the truth of the matter is my current position, I still I contribute. And that's important.


Dan Zehner  30:16  

Yeah, that's really good. How? How would you say so? A lot of guys like myself included? And a lot of guys listening are not in the the military world or, or, or the god world? How can we as civilians do do our part for for helping make our


Unknown Speaker  30:36  

and move our country forward? Just be good Americans?


Dan Zehner  30:40  

What does that mean to you? What are the what are some of the key parts of that?


Cadre Igor  30:44  

being a good citizen, I mean, taking care of your fellow Americans.


Just doing your job, because we all contribute, you know, you don't have to be part of the military to contribute to our country. I mean, vote, I think voting is truly important. Yeah, support those causes that are important to you.


Just be a good person.


Dan Zehner  31:09  

How do you approach people? Because I think you've got a pretty good mindset when it comes to folks who believe differently than you do will say, like, how do you approach bridging those gaps? In this day and age where you know, it can get so fiery so quick, and it doesn't have to?


Cadre Igor  31:27  

It's really sad, the partisanship in the country right now.


So you


give your view, you listen to theirs. And if it doesn't mean, that's just the way it is. I mean, a lot of people these days on both sides, left and right, don't really want to hear the other side. Really don't. And that's kind of sad. I mean, we should be able to listen to each other. And we should at least be able to agree to disagree. And I think that's kind of lacking right now.


Dan Zehner  32:02  

Yeah. No idea why that? Why that? Is it like, and anything we can do about it? Not that we can control it, but


Cadre Igor  32:16  

I'm not gonna go there on this podcast.


Dan Zehner  32:18  

Fair enough. I am okay with that. Yeah.


Cadre Igor  32:23  

I try not to get political in my events. I really don't kind of want to get political here. There's enough.


There's enough of that going on in our in our country right now.


Dan Zehner  32:32  

Amen there. So let's focus on what we can control in our own lives. How do you approach say, getting the kind of information that you need to do the things that you need to do and keeping other things out? So it sounds like you're the kind of person who takes real good care of that kind of


Cadre Igor  32:57  

thing? Well, I do. And that's all us an event isn't. So when I know there's an abundance of themed event, I make it my mission to understand the event, what the theme of the event is, before I start the event, because I'll just take the day for a good example, I made sure I knew the important aspects of DJ so I could bring that to the participants of the event, because that's what I think they're looking for. And I try to tie those. What happened there into the whole event. And I think so far, I've been somewhat successful. And I try to make sure that I don't read a card, I try to make sure I can bring that. And I've learned a lot doing this myself. Yeah. I've actually learned a bunch of stuff. So that's that's how I kind of look at it. That makes sense.


Dan Zehner  33:44  

Yeah, you know, it does. Speaking of events, there's something that's been going on, I don't know how past six months or something the CADRE have started doing their own developing their own patches. Can you tell us about your patch and how somebody could earn that?


Cadre Igor  33:58  

So No, that isn't, in fact, when I first got started, you know, I didn't you know, about a little over two years ago.


Dan Zehner  34:04  

It's really only been two years. Wow. Yeah, so I didn't know you're part of the furniture already.


Cadre Igor  34:12  

I was on Facebook page or task force Ranger Facebook page, and they were asked for guest speakers for a moat mile event for go. So I said, Sure, I'll be a guest speaker in DC. So I was a guest speaker in 2017 in DC. And then they asked her born to be Kendra, I said, I'll think about it. And then I did the guest speaker piece at Annapolis in 2082 weeks later, I did my tough because I did my life when I was a guest speaker in DC. And a week after I did my talk with Kerry Bellman who was the CADRE for that son of a bitch. Now, john, I get along great. Then I did my first my first event November in DC.


Dan Zehner  35:02  



Cadre Igor  35:05  

So know that. So when I talked to them, they said, you know, cadre patches are thing. So yeah, so I said, Okay, I'll get my own category patch. So I actually going to change the criteria, because originally the criteria was an HTML, a TL, and you have to do a moat mile. But since HTC, are far and few between, they are going to revisit the HGLP. So Ah, but one of the ladies has done some of my events. He's not interested in HTML, so it's not fair. So I'm going to put out more criteria, it's probably gonna involve some star, star course for to cool, but the most mild topical will not change.


Dan Zehner  35:42  

Good. We'll look forward to when you get that developed and putting that out there because that's definitely something I want to aspire to.


Cadre Igor  35:50  

I'll put that out here shortly. Just right now it's an HTLTL. And in addition to those immobile, tough, but I'm going to change it, I'm going to change the HTML pieces.


Unknown Speaker  36:01  



Dan Zehner  36:02  

And for those who aren't in the steeped in the go rock Kool Aid, yet an HDL is accomplishing a heavy metal tough and then a light on the same weekend. Yes.


Cadre Igor  36:15  

So I actually have an HDL and Cleveland, the end of October. That'll be my 30. Shell, I've been part of, wow, Memorial Day in Manchester, then D day in DC. And I was worn out after that.


Unknown Speaker  36:31  

I bet.


Dan Zehner  36:34  

I hear a lot of so over the past four years since I started doing go recommends, I hear a lot of people who are will say more experienced than I am and age wise like I could never do that. What do you say to those kind of people who, you know, could if they if they wanted to, you know, barring injuries and doctors restrictions, of course. Get into this kind of thing. What do you say some of those folks? Do it?


Cadre Igor  37:02  

I hate to do it. I hate to take it from Nike, just do it. Because you'd be surprised. I think so I just did Kansas City, I had a whole bunch of new people. And they all did it. Every one of them did it. And it wasn't quite what they expected. But they persevered. And if you come to one of my events, I fully push the team aspect of it like I'm sure most cafe do, if not all, it's a team event. And I tell my participants that if somebody quits, I'm coming down harder on the team and I am going to quit.


Dan Zehner  37:37  

I can see how that might play out. What are some of your favorite will say rewards for for that kind of thing for the team?


Cadre Igor  37:49  

I'm not gonna say I'm not going to tell you that.


fantasy that fair enough. I


Dan Zehner  37:55  

yeah. What did it go to it? What? So aside from the HTML, and Cleveland, what some of your other upcoming ones that people can look forward to, say, three, four months out when this is I'm going to release this interview on the third or fourth of October. So I saw


Cadre Igor  38:11  

as I just mentioned, I do have three for October, but that'll be too late. So I've got the ACL and Cleveland, end of October. I've got Phoenix for Veterans Day. And then I've got doing Sandy Hook, which I'm looking forward to and wow, I'm not sure how I'm going to approach that one. Because that's a pretty somber event. Yeah, in my mind. And then really, it's, I've kind of tapered off a little bit at the end of this year, because I've already got since last November, I've got 34 events. Yeah, that's that's a pretty packed schedule. Yeah. So I'm kind of tapering off a little bit. So hopefully next year, it'll get hot and heavy and can't tell because they've released the schedule. They haven't released category yet for any of you.


Dan Zehner  38:53  

Okay, yeah, I've been looking for that like trying to


Cadre Igor  38:55  

event I know for sure. for next year is the double tough from DC. Oh, yeah,


Dan Zehner  39:02  

that's, that's October. Right.


Cadre Igor  39:06  

So even though it doesn't say so on the event page yet. You have to do both events. And the tough. The first half on the second will be 12 hours. But the event on the third, again, will be following the timeline of the battle. So we're talking about an 18 hour tough.


Dan Zehner  39:24  

All right, I know what I'm doing in October in DC next year.


Cadre Igor  39:28  

But like I said, we're going to follow the timeline of the battle. And if we get the numbers, it's going to be myself and Bellman cadre. Really. And then if we get the real good numbers, we've got another cadre curse who was also there. So Wow, it would be awesome to get all three of us the three that's for Mogadishu. I'm not alone.


Dan Zehner  39:47  

Okay, everybody listening right now put in your calendars October 2 And third, get your butts to DC and get trained. Very, very well. for that.


Cadre Igor  39:59  

I mean, that will be that would be an awesome a while to get all three of us together three vegetable my


Unknown Speaker  40:05  

walk down.


Dan Zehner  40:06  

That would be unreal. Okay, I'm going to personally call some people john Williams. Matt Williams at y know john at least listen to this. Maybe Matt might if I can get him to figure out how to listen to a podcast. All the all the guys of the beard the fellowship of the beard star course team. We got to get our butts to DC for next year.


Cadre Igor  40:30  

Remember you guys fellowship with the beard?


Dan Zehner  40:32  

Yep. Better late than never. Or Well, not late, just not early. Yeah, that was. That was a we still talk about that john. Williams is like I'm never doing anything like that ever again. But I think we could probably get him to do this.


Cadre Igor  40:52  

Especially with that one point that was kind of a distance.


Dan Zehner  40:56  

Yep. That was nuts. Yeah. But you got to get that 50 miles in somehow, we made a poor choice of navigation. We did the cluster of points that were close together downtown first.


Cadre Igor  41:10  

So I'm not. You know, there's several different ways to skin that cat. So it's really up to the team to figure it out.


Dan Zehner  41:16  

Yep, we got through it. But if we had to do it again, we would have done it in reverse order.


Cadre Igor  41:22  

Oh, there you go. See, you learn. It's a learning process. Yeah, we


Dan Zehner  41:26  

all learned a lot, especially about each other. It was like I mean, we just had some of the most fun conversations in the middle of the night where we're going to that long point.


Cadre Igor  41:35  

Great. One of the things I think is cool about go wreck, and I realized it dawned on me when I was talking some buddies mind that we'd all been to Ranger School. So we're sharing Ranger School stories. And you never remember this stuff. That sucks. You're always talking about these events with everybody. Oh, yeah, I did that I get that. Well, it's almost the same thing as go, right. Because I hear participants talking to an event about the idea, this event I did that event. I mean, we all have a shared event variance, and it just brings us closer together.


Unknown Speaker  42:03  



Cadre Igor  42:05  

So I mean, it's just amazing.


Dan Zehner  42:07  

There's nothing like mutual suffering to bring a group together.


Cadre Igor  42:11  

Oh, there isn't. And, and let's face it, is I tell everybody, we have a weird sense of fun in this community.


Dan Zehner  42:19  

Definitely has a different definition when you're talking to co rock community. three in the morning, or


Cadre Igor  42:26  

Oh, my God, and then but you know what, at the end of the event, we're all sitting there. And as everybody knows my events, I always have beverages. While we're sitting there having that beverage. Everybody feels good about themselves. And they should.


Dan Zehner  42:41  

There is no better taste than the taste of overcoming something you didn't think you could with a good beverage in the morning.


Cadre Igor  42:48  

Exactly. And you did it. And for the most part, you know, for the most part, you did it as a team. I mean, when I did my tough it sucked. I'll be honest, but when I finished I felt really good.


Dan Zehner  42:59  

Did you have that kind of similar experience that know a lot of us who've been through that events is that is that 330 34 in the morning, like


Cadre Igor  43:07  

what the heck am I doing here? kind of feeling?


Well, by then you're committed.


Dan Zehner  43:12  

Exactly. It's like I just got to get to the morning.


Cadre Igor  43:15  

That'll be fine in the morning.


So long.


Dan Zehner  43:20  

I remember my my mug mile tough. It was about 3am 330 some Zero Dark 30 somewhere and it was drizzling. And it was in October in Chicago. So like 40 something degrees. And we were doing we were paying for our infractions during the the admin phase with 230 reps of what are the Catterick told us to do. And I had, I was doing flutter kicks with my rock over my head like barely able to hold my rock up. And at one point, I think I said out loud, I'm like, I can't some guy in front of me it was like, Yes, you can don't you can quit on the end, there is nothing more motivating than you know it teammate who's going through the same thing you are just be like, come on, man, you can do this. And that totally turned everything around for me. And that's being a team


Cadre Igor  44:11  

support each other. And that's what, and I put that out of my event. Special Operations as a team event doesn't matter which service you're in what component, it's a team event, if if we're not doing it together, we're not going to succeed.


Dan Zehner  44:24  

And even after the events like some, the there's, there's something about the go rock tops GR tease that if somebody needs help we support each other. It's really amazing.


Cadre Igor  44:38  

It's a great community. I mean, that's one of the things I've noticed in my time here. It's it's I think it's an awesome community. It really is. It's very supportive. And we have lots of fun on Facebook.


Oh, yeah.


Dan Zehner  44:50  

Once you go through an event, even if you're not on Facebook much, get on the go rock tough page on a Wednesday and be prepared to laugh. Like a lot of fun. As we wrap up here, man, I just want to say thanks so much for for your time today. And for your service. It's just really awesome to get to know you a little bit. I'm looking forward to doing at least one event with you next year, or in the coming years. If I do more than the double tough in DC, I'm sure we'll get another fence around there. You have any parting thoughts you want to share with the audience as we get into, you know, we just finished a really momentous anniversary of 911 yesterday, and we're coming up on the anniversary of the Battle of Mogadishu here in a few weeks when this episode will be airing You want it? Is there anything you want folks to remember around, especially those really momentous days,


Cadre Igor  45:54  

you know, just when it gets really shitty. It sucks.


You don't think you can go the extra mile. At least you're there to do that extra mile. There's those of us that that aren't people that left the morning 911 expect them to go home that night that did it. People that joined the service to go take it to the enemy after 911 that didn't come home. We're still here, support each other around that extra effort. And we're all gonna make it to the end.


Dan Zehner  46:26  

couldn't think of a better way to close this out. Thank you so much for that.


Cadre Igor  46:33  

And I appreciate the time.


Dan Zehner  46:35  

Take care cadre we will be in touch and we'll definitely post your qualifications for requirements for getting that Qadri, your patch when you get them revised. And I hope some of you take on the challenge because it will be definitely worthwhile.


Unknown Speaker  46:53  

Now and I'll have that out here pretty soon. Awesome.


Dan Zehner  46:56  

Thanks so much. Have a great rest your day. We'll talk soon.


Cadre Igor  46:59  



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